In this episode, I am joined by Dr. Gavin Ortlund, pastor and author of a recent book titled Why God Makes Sense in a World That Doesn’t. Today, we talk about Christian theism and the nature of apologetics.
Meet Dr. Ortlund:
Gavin Ortlund earned his PhD from Fuller Theological Seminary and serves as senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Ojai in Ojai, California. He is the author of several books, including Anselm’s Pursuit of Joy and Retrieving Augustine’s Doctrine of Creation. Gavin and his wife, Esther, have five children.
Resources:
- Why God Makes Sense in a World that Doesn’t by Gavin Ortlund
- The Reason for God by Timothy Keller
- Making Sense of God by Timothy Keller
- Confronting Christianity by Rebecca McLaughlin
- Pensees (Thoughts) by Blaise Pascal
The Digital Public Square is a production of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission and is produced and hosted by Jason Thacker.
Production assistance is provided by Kadin Christian. Technical production provided by Owens Productions. It is edited and mixed by Mark Owens.

Digital Public Square Podcast with Jason Thacker
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